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< Advocacy ~ Sharrows are a waste of paint |
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Stoller
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:17 am |
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Thinks "false flat" means low tire pressureJoined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:31 amPosts: 334Location: Northwesterburblandia
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Interesting article about (the uselessness of) sharrows relative to "bike boulevards," etc. I tend to agree. I especially liked the following: Quote: Perhaps the ultimate word on sharrows comes from the City of Seattle's own website, which today answers the question "What do sharrows mean for motorists and bicyclists?" with this damning bit of faint praise: "Motorists: Follow the rules of the road as if there were no sharrows... Bicyclists: Follow the rules of the road as if there were no sharrows."
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jim_h
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:03 pm |
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| Could use a bike fitJoined: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:53 pmPosts: 1016Location: Old Cyclists' Home
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+1
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castiron
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:08 pm |
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| SoigneurJoined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:02 pmPosts: 579Location: Saint Paul
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Much that I agree that sharrows and some of the other road paint novelties abound are not only wasteful, but confusing for our lowest common denominator road user, I'll take one over another god damn left hand suicide bike lane in MPLS.
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tsalyards
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:12 pm |
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Glass CrankerJoined: Thu May 21, 2009 9:31 amPosts: 218Location: South Minneapolis
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The pained lanes are will only be useful if they are a precursor to actual segregated lanes (with curbs/protection) and bike boxes at intersections.
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G. Hoffman
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:24 pm |
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Can't... stop... doing... the Monkey TagJoined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:05 amPosts: 1380Location: Seward
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The benefit of the sharrows, in my opinion, is mostly just that they tell people who don't understand the law where bikes are actually supposed to ride; i.e., out of the door zone, and not in the gutter. Yes, you are still riding as though they weren't there, but you have a guide on where to ride. Now, most of the people on this site probably don't need that, but a lot of people on bikes do, and most people who drive cars, in my experience.
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bat56
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:36 pm |
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HandslingerJoined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:32 pmPosts: 471Location: stpaulmidwaybikelove
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Are sharrows and bike boxes in the law anywhere? Drivers handbook?
I do not think so.
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jim_h
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:56 pm |
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| Could use a bike fitJoined: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:53 pmPosts: 1016Location: Old Cyclists' Home
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[quote="castiron"... I'll take one over another god damn left hand suicide bike lane in MPLS.[/quote]
Happy to find out I'm not the only one wondering why Mpls is creating bike lanes on the wrong sides of one-ways.
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kuando
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:23 pm |
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| Better to have Bikeloved and lost than never to have Bikeloved at allJoined: Tue May 29, 2007 9:22 pmPosts: 2719Location: Golden Valley
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jim_h wrote: [quote="castiron"... I'll take one over another god damn left hand suicide bike lane in MPLS. Happy to find out I'm not the only one wondering why Mpls is creating bike lanes on the wrong sides of one-ways.[/quote] Think of it as a two way road with one way exclusively for cyclists.
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castiron
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:13 pm |
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| SoigneurJoined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:02 pmPosts: 579Location: Saint Paul
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I ride the LH lanes on 10th ST and 6th St near daily. Both are with the flow of traffic. The 10th ST one abruptly ends much the same way the old one on Hennepin did. The new one on 6th leaves you trapped between a concrete wall and 3+ lanes of freeway bound traffic. Seriously, who thinks of this shit?
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cyclejerk
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:48 pm |
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| Glass CrankerJoined: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:43 pmPosts: 216
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Any reminder to motorists that they can expect to see some cyclists on the road isn't a waste a paint.
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Fanatic
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:43 pm |
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Glass CrankerJoined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:14 pmPosts: 220Location: SW Minneapolis
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I think sharrows and green paint made a huge difference on Bryant Ave. bikes seem to be far more numerous, and traffic better behaved.
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jim_h
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:03 pm |
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| Could use a bike fitJoined: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:53 pmPosts: 1016Location: Old Cyclists' Home
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Fanatic wrote: I think sharrows and green paint made a huge difference on Bryant Ave. bikes seem to be far more numerous, and traffic better behaved. I agree. But it also conveys the idea that Bryant is an "approved" bike route, and therefor other streets are not, and bikes shouldn't be on them. Whereas the reality is, bikes have the same rights on any city street.
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eazydp
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:45 am |
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Bunny-hopperJoined: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:42 pmPosts: 6Location: HPDL
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AFAIK, the bike blvds extend the biker's rights versus a normal street. I believe a bike can take the lane on a bike blvd without any due cause. On a normal street, a bike is required to make an attempt to stay as close to the curb as possible and only take the lane for safety or turning purposes.
Sharrows seems to have some value as an educational tool. Anecdotally, I'd guess they don't have much safety value. I hope the City is investing some of their funding to do some R&D on these measures, so we can quantify the value.
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bjorn
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:28 am |
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Praying to God for the Flamme RougeJoined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:05 pmPosts: 2527Location: Nordeast
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The left-side lanes were some of the first lanes that Minneapolis striped. The original concern was bus traffic, IIRC
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jim_h
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:53 pm |
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| Could use a bike fitJoined: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:53 pmPosts: 1016Location: Old Cyclists' Home
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bjorn wrote: The left-side lanes were some of the first lanes that Minneapolis striped. The original concern was bus traffic, IIRC I don't see the connection with bus traffic.
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