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Innokenty
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 Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:59 pm |
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Quote: I mean people got along just fine before steel was alloyed with significant amounts of super light metals. People made do with steel bicycles that were alloyed with mostly carbon.
hmm apparently im being ignorant sorry. I was under the impression that chromoly steel has been used on mid and high end bikes for a really really long time. I mean what about all the racing bikes from the 20's up to the 80's ? Were they just high-carbon steel? My quick google search shows that Columbus and Raynolds companies both were founded at the turn of the century and aluminum bikes date back to the 1890's. I cant find information on when CrMo started being used. I would love to read up no this. If you actually know what you are talking about please explain 
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Innokenty
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:27 pm |
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hmmmm raynolds introduced high manganese tubing in 1924 and 531 was introduced in 1935... Im guessing all these innovations in metals where mostly because of aviation research. So to answer my own question CrMo was first used in bicycle tubing in the early 30's by Columbus and Raynold. Supposedly columbus did it first(tapered?)... "in the ‘30s, the first set of special tubes for bicycles were produced: Aelle, Tenax and Columbus. Under the Columbus mark, the first reinforced tubes with a tapered thickness made of molybdenum chrome steel in the history of cycling appeared" who cares right? ha ha im a dork  source:http://www.columbustubi.com/eng/1.htm, reynoldstechnology.biz/assets/pdf/rtl_timeline2009.pdf
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All-Steel
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:41 pm |
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Wow! Thanks for doing the research. That's actually quite interesting and good to know. I had no idea how old the alloy frames were. I bet only the elite could get their hands on them for a good while. I wonder if there were people on the first crmo bikes in the '30s calling carbon steel rides stupid and slow. Ha ha. Either way, as long as I see people riding, i don't care what they ride or how slowly they go.
Cheers.
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Innokenty
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:04 pm |
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| Believed Landis the first two timesJoined: Thu May 08, 2008 1:09 pmPosts: 304Location: Tangle Town
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Right on man!
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lsboogy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:31 pm |
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Innokenty wrote: hmmmm raynolds introduced high manganese tubing in 1924 and 531 was introduced in 1935... Im guessing all these innovations in metals where mostly because of aviation research. So to answer my own question CrMo was first used in bicycle tubing in the early 30's by Columbus and Raynold. Supposedly columbus did it first(tapered?)... "in the ‘30s, the first set of special tubes for bicycles were produced: Aelle, Tenax and Columbus. Under the Columbus mark, the first reinforced tubes with a tapered thickness made of molybdenum chrome steel in the history of cycling appeared" who cares right? ha ha im a dork source:http://www.columbustubi.com/eng/1.htm, reynoldstechnology.biz/assets/pdf/rtl_timeline2009.pdf Columbus started making tubing for bikes in 1919, Reynolds began as nail manufacturer. Reynolds was the first to make butted tubing (1897), and Columbus was the first to make tapered section tubes (Aelle). CrMo tubing has been around since the early 1900's, and was first used in aircraft. 531 used Manganese as well (5:3:1) ratio - and has no Chromium, so is not a CrMo steel, as are most of the Columbus tubesets
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skyrover
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:30 am |
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 Wishes you would pull over or speed upJoined: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:57 pmPosts: 1143Location: se mpls
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I kind of think of it like this. Yes, a pug/fatbike is kind of a special tool, intended for deep off road where you're not sure what kind of terrain you'll get, snow, mug, etc - the kind of thing that (around here at least) you kind of have to go looking for rather than it being a normal occurrence.
That said, last winter sucked so bad that you could easily have made a case for either a pug or studs and been 100% correct.
As for the 4x4 truck comparison, I suppose there is some truth to that. But the real reason 4x4s in the city is annoying is not so much because they are unnecessary as they are hugely wasteful and inefficient. I would much rather people push puglseys around the city to pretend to be indiana jones than land rovers...
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omgmrj
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:48 am |
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 Dances on the pedals in a most immodest wayJoined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:15 amPosts: 7141
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Yup, stupid bike didn't give me enough float last Thursday.    Happened in one of those new boulevards along Chicago Ave. Something made that dirt very, very wet, making quicksand that brought the ground over my front axle.
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castiron
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:29 pm |
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I saw a guy riding the Dairlyland Dare on a Pugsley, fat tires and all, this year. He admitted to two things: too little speed, quite a lot of comfort.
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Innokenty
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:18 pm |
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| Believed Landis the first two timesJoined: Thu May 08, 2008 1:09 pmPosts: 304Location: Tangle Town
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lsboogy wrote: Columbus started making tubing for bikes in 1919, Reynolds began as nail manufacturer. Reynolds was the first to make butted tubing (1897), and Columbus was the first to make tapered section tubes (Aelle). CrMo tubing has been around since the early 1900's, and was first used in aircraft. 531 used Manganese as well (5:3:1) ratio - and has no Chromium, so is not a CrMo steel, as are most of the Columbus tubesets thank you for clearing it up boogy
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Heffay
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:31 pm |
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omgmrj wrote: Yup, stupid bike didn't give me enough float last Thursday.
I'm disappointed this post didn't come with a corresponding post in the Blood and Guts forum. Not that I wish harm on you, but...seriously, the potential is HUGE! ...Maybe if it was the Blood, Guts, and tons of Mud forum...
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omgmrj
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:06 am |
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| Dances on the pedals in a most immodest wayJoined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:15 amPosts: 7141
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Sorry. With the front tire half-buried, it was like the bike was sitting on a trainer, stability-wise. I unclipped and stepped as far away from the wet spot as I could.
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biker_lee
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:44 pm |
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Wrong - it's not x+1.... It's s-1: please see rule 12 here http://www.velominati.com/blog/the-rules/
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MacGyver
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:58 pm |
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Check out the Rokon TrailBreaker. It's basically the motorcycle equivalent of a Pugsley:  http://www.rokon.com/products/trailbrkr.htm
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rysgaard
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| Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:41 pm |
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 Never got over the fun of spinning out on a Big WheelJoined: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:42 pmPosts: 737Location: Lauderdale
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MacGyver wrote: Check out the Rokon TrailBreaker. It's basically the motorcycle equivalent of a Pugsley: http://www.rokon.com/products/trailbrkr.htmI heard you can store a pretty significant ration of whiskey inside the tires. Seriously.
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G. Hoffman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:38 am |
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kuando wrote: DangHeim wrote: I used to have a disco ball. It wasn't as great as you may think. Honestly, if I was forced to choose, I'd rather have a Pugsley. You should have gotten the studded kind. If you really want, I have a friend with an 8' disco ball that is probably worth about the same as a Pugsley. If you want to set up a trade, let me know and I'll see what I can do. And yes, I did just say an 8 foot disco ball. Its one of the most fun things I've ever lit professionally! Gabriel
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