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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:08 pm
WheelsuckerJoined: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:08 pmPosts: 2
it's now dark when i'm riding home from work, and have been having this debate with myself over the last few days...

i am wearing one of those crazy-bright-blind-you-during-daylight raincoats, but i do not have a headlight at all. i do have a blinky taillight.

I occasionally see riders with headlights but they are wearing all black or otherwise dark clothing, and i have to think that i must be more visible to others than they are.

i'm too old to really care about the fashion risks, and my coat doubles as another wind breaker, so i think i win. ;) Am I fooling myself?

related: are blinky headlights safer than solid-on headlights?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:02 pm
Bright colors don't matter in the dark. Retroreflective stuff helps a lot (think safety vest).

A headlight is essential for being seen. It seems bikers are mostly concerned about rear-end crashes, but in an urban setting rear-end crashes are uncommon; Most crashes are at intersections and headlights are the best thing for nighttime visibility at intersections. Blinkies are better than nothing and are cheap and the batteries last fairly long, but I use and recommend a very bright (700+ lumens) steady headlight for best visibility.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:10 pm
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I have pretty strong opinions about this...

Blinking headlights help for visibility in dim or foggy conditions (a lot) and I use them in those conditions. At night, I don't think blinking lights should not be used AT ALL. They are not as effective as headlights and they are distracting (in a bad way, not a good way) to on coming traffic. I absolutely hate when somebody approaches me on a dark trail with flashing lights. Also, and I don't think flashing front lights are legal, technically speaking (that said, I don't know anybody that's been pulled over for running blinking lights). If you feel you must use a blinking front light, aim it down so you don't adversely affect other driver's/cyclists night vision.

I agree with Hokan that bright colors don't make much of a difference at night but reflective stuff helps a lot. You need a white front head light to be legal. You don't need a tail light to be legal, but I think it would be unwise to trust in the law to protect yourself on this issue. I really like a blinking rear light but Hokan's bright steady light is very effective.

I am a fan of reflective bands on pants legs at nights - they give some flash and movement and think they help quite a bit for the minimal cost.



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:45 pm
I can't disagree with anything Snak Shak said except to note that this year the Minnesota Legislature legalized blinking headlights for bicycles.

Bicycles are now the only vehicles besides emergency vehicles that are permitted to use blinking headlights and blinking taillights.


PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:43 am
User avatarArrière du pelotonJoined: Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:08 pmPosts: 534Location: Longfellow
justjeff wrote:
i do not have a headlight at all.

Are you fucking kidding?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:08 am
User avatarDoesn't like shants but wants to fit inJoined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:16 pmPosts: 3158Location: St. Paul
(On roads, not on separated bike paths)
To me, I can see a cyclist best if they have on some reflective clothing and a blinking light. Many cyclists use a small, basic light that doesn't throw a lot of light and if it is on a steady setting, it seems to get washed out in the background with the lights from the street and nearby traffic.

I use my headlight TO SEE more than be seen. I can throw a lot of light through an intersection and into rows of parked cars to prepare for a possible door opening. The roads are just nasty for the next few months between ice build-up, road debris and potholes....need to see it all. :D


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:48 am
User avatarDances on the pedals in a most immodest wayJoined: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:15 amPosts: 7206
giddything wrote:
justjeff wrote:
i do not have a headlight at all.

Are you fucking kidding?
+1



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:44 am
User avatarArrière du pelotonJoined: Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:08 pmPosts: 534Location: Longfellow
Ok, I've calmed down a little. I only had to rewrite it twice to remove the swear words and ad hominens.

That's illegal. It's illegal for a reason. There are people in this board who are still having problems, months (years? don't remember) later, from being run into by some ninja running without lights.

Your smugness about being better than people who have lights is rivaled only by your ignorance in believing people can see bright colors in the dark (protip: we can't) and your selfishness.

There is no cyclist, pedestrian, or driver in this town who deserves to be involved in an accident with you because you can't be bothered to follow the law. Get off the road.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:39 pm
User avatarDoes this bike make my tires look fat?Joined: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:18 pmPosts: 660Location: Audubon Park
For once I'm not the angry or irked one!

I'm glad he's considering lights and safety. There are plenty of hipster idiots out there who think lights are incompatible with their urban environment-connected fixies and this dude's wising up.

If you're only riding in town, a blinky be-seen light is fine. If you're out there, brighter is better. A coworker rode into a snare line set up across a path in Maple Grove. He got banged up pretty good and swears it wouldn't happen now with his niterider 600.



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:18 pm
Better to have Bikeloved and lost than never to have Bikeloved at allJoined: Tue May 29, 2007 9:22 pmPosts: 2741Location: Golden Valley
Please use a light. My eyes aren't what they used to be. Try to see it from another person's point of view.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:31 am
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Volsung wrote:
A coworker rode into a snare line set up across a path in Maple Grove. He got banged up pretty good and swears it wouldn't happen now with his niterider 600.


A snare line just to screw with pedestrians?



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:52 pm
WheelsuckerJoined: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:08 pmPosts: 2
wow giddything, glad you calmed down- i'd hate to see what you have to say about me if you were actually upset!

a little more background perhaps might help- For many years, i did run with a very bright headlight, and i think it gave me a false sense of security. I was once cut off by a car coming toward me+turning left, and by the time we both stopped, my light was actually lighting up the driver's entire face- how could they not see me? from that point on, i just decided to stick more to back roads, even if that meant a longer trip. my only night riding now is my commute from work (only a couple miles) and is probably 90% residential back-streets in the city. The entire route has plenty of street lights and i actually see more cyclists on the streets i take than i do moving cars. i never take it for granted, bright coat or not, that anyone else can see me.

i'm not trying to make excuses here, if i were doing more miles on heavier trafficked roads, i'd be as lit up as times square. i am actually interested in being safe.

thanks for the feedback though. people generally don't like to re-evaluate their position on something once they've made up their minds on a subject, but you've all actually helped, some more than others. i will absolutely consider a headlight among my next bikeshop purchases, although if i ride past giddy's house, i might turn it off just so i can slip by unnoticed. :)


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:13 am
User avatarArrière du pelotonJoined: Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:08 pmPosts: 534Location: Longfellow
I'm glad you think it's funny. Some guy without a headlight almost ran me down when I was walking on the sidewalk outside my house tonight.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:54 am
Cottered CrankJoined: Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:30 pmPosts: 70
Lights, definitely important at night. No argument there. But I agree that blinking white headlights are bad news. They're annoying and distracting and cause drivers to instinctively look away from you because you're screwing up their night vision. We're being sold a gimmick.

If you're determined to try using a light so bright that it actually lights up the road surface - instead of just making you visible to drivers - then point it down at the road and not into drivers' eyes.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:55 am
Cottered CrankJoined: Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:30 pmPosts: 70
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