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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:10 pm
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I should add that Road Salt with an old bike is not a problem at all.



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You guys ever wonder if we're over-thinking this bike riding thing sometimes?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:58 am
User avatarFender BenderJoined: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:44 pmPosts: 80
jimh wrote:
Chilly Willy wrote:
jimh wrote:
The Park Board won't clear both the pedestrian AND the bike paths. They usually choose to clear just the bike path, and that means it becomes a shared path - cyclists the dog walkers. Walkers complain about ice (I guess they're all new to Minnesota) and the county responds by dumping sand all over the trails; the ice then thaws and you are cycling on a wet beach.


"I guess they're all new to Minnesota..." or maybe they're older and less mobile than you, and appreciate having sure footing.



Footing is not normally a concern on bike paths.


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jimh wrote:
and that means it becomes a shared path


Since, as you said, they don't plow the pedestrian portion, the pedestrians end up on the bike path. Making footing a concern.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:36 pm
Cottered CrankJoined: Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:30 pmPosts: 70
Chilly Willy wrote:

jimh wrote:
and that means it becomes a shared path


Since, as you said, they don't plow the pedestrian portion, the pedestrians end up on the bike path. Making footing a concern.



I'm not sure if we're agreeing or disagreeing. My complaint is that the Park Board quietly, without discussion, turns the bike paths into pedestrian paths in the winter - first by not plowing the pedestrian paths, then by dumping sand. IMHO it's not a "MUP" once it's been sanded and I can no longer use it - it's just a walking path.

If you agree that his use of the trails is proper, then yes, maybe you support the sand too. My position is that both trails should be maintained in the winter. Note that walkers already have a winter resource which cyclists don't - it's called "sidewalks". And if you're concerned about people with disabilities, and safety - should they really be sharing a rough, slushy, slippery path with bikes?

Another aspect of this issue is that the Park Board shouldn't be using sand at all, and they know it, because it's environmentally damaging. It gradually fills in lakes waterways, and the storm sewers, which is why some cities are already completely banning its use.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:48 pm
User avatarFender BenderJoined: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:44 pmPosts: 80
jimh wrote:
I'm not sure if we're agreeing or disagreeing.


Ahh. That is a good point.
I have a bad habit of sometimes arguing for the sake of argument. Which is maybe what's happening here, so I will stop.

I will just point out that the city only has so many resources available, and has to do the best that it can for everybody. Ideally there would be separate paths for bikes and for pedestrians, but if that's not possible they do the best they can and just plow/sand the shared path.
It's not great for you and your bike. But by not sanding the path they are endangering frail senior citizens. (Disclosure - my grandfather fell on a patch of ice and broke his hip. It was basically his downfall [pun] and a year later he was dead. So I might take this subject a little personally.) You are less likely to sue the city for a sandy/gritty drivetrain on your bike than a family is to sue them for a falling relative. So I can understand the choice they make, even if your point is valid and correct.


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